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Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2012.01.21 19:18:00 -
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Who exactly do they represent and how do they speak for the rest of us?
I have yet to receive any surveys or questionaires from them asking what I, as a player, think.
Are they a truely respresentative body or just the body with the biggest mouth? So big they have psuedo-celebrity staus and get free trips to Iceland.
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Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2012.01.21 19:39:00 -
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Maybe it's time to disband CSM and find a more direct method of interacting with the EVE playerbase. Representative bodies are a relec of the pre-internet/digital communication era.
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Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2012.01.21 20:11:00 -
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Rory Orlenard wrote:
This last year some not all of the CSM members claimed they were reponsible for Hilmars refocusing while never mentioning the pilots who unsubbed,
LOL!!!
I doubt CSM was responsible for CCP CEO "refocusing." $ub numbers had e a very load voice in all of this.
CSM is just a powerless figurehead desinged to give the appearance that the EVE playerbase has a voice through them. Like I said before, the same can be accomplished via surveys/questionares and votes. 1 acct = 1 vote.
It's also cheaper than flying anyone out to iceland.
Vimsy Vortis wrote:Atticus Fynch wrote:Maybe it's time to disband CSM and find a more direct method of interacting with the EVE playerbase. Representative bodies are a relec of the pre-internet/digital communication era. I'm going to assume you didn't vote in the CSM election, don't know who the candidates were or who is currently on the CSM, don't follow the devblogs and are generally completely unaware of anything that has ever happened in the history of the CSM.
Chirst, life is complicated enough as is. I now have to follow up on all this political BS just to have some input in a game I play for enjoyment? Seems too much like work and I have a RL job for that.
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Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2012.01.21 20:17:00 -
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Rikki Sals wrote:
What method do you propose?
Email alert linking to a survey site. Log-in screen alert linking to email site.
You log in to survey site with your account info and answer questions/vote.
Simple.
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Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2012.01.21 20:32:00 -
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atrum dux wrote:Hi, please do not take down the CSM. We won't be able to destroy own this wonderful internet spaceship game.
fixed
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Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2012.01.21 20:36:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:
They won't send you surveys, much like everything else in EVE, if you want to be involved, you go where the action is and get involved.
My idea is simpler, cheaper and gets a larger portion of the playerbase involved due to its simplicty. Not just those even aware of this political side of EVE.
Rikki Sals wrote:
They represent those who voted for them, which ended up being about 14.25% of active subscriptions last year.
Those are pretty sad figures and not representative of the player base at all.
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Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2012.01.21 20:48:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Atticus Fynch wrote:Rikki Sals wrote:
What method do you propose?
Email alert linking to a survey site. Log-in screen alert linking to email site. You log in to survey site with your account info and answer questions/vote. Simple. 1) Why do you seem to enjoy getting email spam? 2) IIRC there was E-Mail spam telling people to vote in the CSM. That various blocs were able to get out the vote better than disorganized HiSec people is not the fault of the blocs.
Having a voice in EVE shouldnt have to be a mini-game of knowing who-is-who in what election and what they might represent It's just a popularity contest with no real teeth.
It should be direct and simple. If e-mail spam is your biggest problem in life then you are a very privileged person.
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Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2012.01.21 21:36:00 -
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Look, if you fools want to play grade-school class president elections, that's fine. You cant deny though that CSM does not represent the whole and when that happens then the system is broken.
One of the more humorous aspects of CSM is how their hands are tied by non-disclosure-agreements.
They are representing us right? That is as good as having us right there in iceland, right? So why does our "representative" body need to keep secrets from us?
In RL such measures are necessary in govt for national security...but we are talking about a game here.
EVE has no real competitors. SWTOR is more a competitor to WOW than EVE. Perpetuum is the closest thing to EVE by way of game mechanics, but the theme is still very different. So why all the secrecy?
When CSM came back from the Incarna fiasco, they said "Gallente CQ is the best looking of all." Really? Why is this such a secret that CCP could produce pics? And is the best CSM came back with considering all the things wrong with Incarna?
Lady Spank wrote:Hi I'm a lazy scrub who thrives on ignorance and want people to come to me rather than inform myself and get involved in discussions via the correct channels therefore I'll suggest we disband this player representative I clearly don't understand.
Im not a lazy scrub, I am a PAYING CUSTOMER, which has more weight today than it did in pre-incarna days where CCP felt they had us wrapped around their little finger. I expected better out of you LS, guess you ar just another worthless troll.
YOu cant deny that CSm is a dinosaur kept around just for the sake of keeping it around. Electronic communications is better. cheaper, faster and represents the playerbase more accurately.
In short, CSM is a joke and CCP knows it.
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